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When All the Time You Have is NOW:
Narrative practice at a walk-in therapy
clinic
Karen Young
Introduction
The purpose of this paper is to introduce the reader to
narrative practices within a walk-in therapy clinic
environment. It is not possible in one paper to discuss all
the ways that narrative ideas and practices are present at
the clinic, therefore I will focus discussion on the areas
of practice that relate to subordinate storyline
development.
The walk-in clinic
The walk-in therapy clinic at Halton Child and Youth
Services in Burlington has opened it's doors one day a week
for eight hours over the past five years offering the
community an opportunity for immediate access to a single
session of therapy at times when people are in need of this.
Families, children, and youth may attend the clinic more
than once although very few do this (only one to three
percent). There are 5 therapists available to between 12 and
18 families who attend the clinic each week. Many of the
therapists bring poststructuralist ways of thinking and
being into their work at the clinic, while others bring
ideas forward from a variety of theories and approaches.
While the volume of people and the potential exhaustion
related to this is a challenge that requires management by
each therapist and the team, the staff report feeling
pleased and proud of the work they do at the clinic. The
people who attend the clinic have provided extremely
positive feedback about their satisfaction with the service.
About 45 to 50 percent of the people do not ask for or
require referral into further services at the agency as they
report the one session to have been sufficient to assist
them.
Narrative practice at walk-in
Both the time limitation of a single session and high
numbers of people at the clinic could contribute to the risk
of rushed or "thin" therapy conversations. The presence of
narrative thinking and practices greatly reduces this
potential risk. Narrative practice lends itself to "brief
but deep" conversations. By deep I do not mean in depth
assessment, information gathering, or searching for truths
by "peeling-the-onion practices". I mean conversations that
are deeply meaningful, and therefore create and sustain new
ideas, conclusions, visions, and hopes. This has meant
claiming and developing a narrative way of working in a time
limited setting, standing within ways of thinking and being
that maintain a strong commitment to striving for rich
conversations. In fact, this means slowing down to move to
new places more quickly.
This idea of moving to new places relates to the concept
of "catharsis" as discussed by Michael White for many years.
He explains that classical understandings of catharsis are
linked to a view of the performance moving the audience to
another place in their lives "
to become other than who
they were at the outset of the performance
[to]
think differently about their life
a new perspective on
their personal history
[to] become newly
engaged with certain precious values and beliefs, or
[have] new ideas about how they might proceed in
life"(White, 2004, p.52). It is this "move to a new place"
that narrative practice, even in brief contexts is
oriented.
Therapy conversations and process "take as long as they
take". Positions that attempt to situate narrative practice
within "number of sessions expectations" as well as outcome
measures that measure success as "less time is better" are
concerning. However, we never know if the people we consult
with will ever come again, so we must commit to making the
most of each conversation&emdash;creating opportunity for
"catharsis" in each session. These ideas have led to
discoveries about the aspects of narrative practice that are
especially useful within these potentially time limited
conversations.
Therapist Posture
Before proceeding with discussion of practice, it is
important to say something about ways of being with others
that are at the centre of narrative therapy and make the
difference between a philosophy of practice versus technique
driven work. According to the Webster dictionary, "posture"
is defined as a state or condition at a given time
especially in relation to other persons
.a conscious
mental pose
.to assume or adopt an attitude. This
concept of posture invites reflection related to preferences
of "how to be" in therapeutic conversations. The therapeutic
posture of a therapist who is practicing within a narrative
framework is significantly influenced by poststructuralist
ways of thinking and being and strives for being non-expert,
influential but not central, collaborative, transparent,
respectful, and curious.
A valuable aspect of therapist posture is 'curiosity'.
Not any and all kinds of curiosity though, but a curiosity
that I call "poststructuralist curiosity" . This type of
curiosity is one that is in search of interpretation and
meaning, of people's conscious purposes, of what the
unspoken stories within the words might be, of how things
might be other than how they are. Poststructuralist
curiosity, "rather than contributing to an 'anything-goes'
sentiment, as it is sometimes misrepresented, actually
contributes to a 'nothing goes sentiment'&emdash;nothing
goes without question
"(White, 2000, p. 115).
The questions that arise from poststructuralist curiosity
are aimed at the development of thick descriptions and rich
meanings within conversational territories that are not
often spoken of in the every day. The terms thin versus
thick description are borrowed from a cultural
anthropologist, Clifford Geertz. A "thick description is one
that is inscribed with
meanings" and finds linkages
between "the stories of people's lives and their cherished
values, beliefs, purposes, desires, commitments, and so on"
(White, 1997, p.15-16). These descriptions are generated
through interviewing in ways that listen for what I call
what is "in-the-shadows", or what Michael White terms
"doubly listening" (White, 2004, p. 53). Discovering and
making meaningful the subordinate or alternative stories in
people's lives creates a new place to stand for the person,
a platform from which they can see new possibilities in
their lives and in relation to the problem that brought them
to the walk-in clinic (M. White, 2004, p. 52). These
conversations fall outside of the usual ways of thinking and
speaking and therefore open up new possibilities. It is
within these "unusual conversational territories" that
narrative practitioners navigate. These are not technique
driven, fast pace therapy conversations, but instead have
the appearance of a slower pace. This may seem
counter-intuitive in the context of a single session, but,
again, my experience has been one of slowing down to speed
up. In other words, more meaningful, "thicker", and
therefore potentially more useful conversations happen when
we stand and linger within poststructuralist curiosity.
.
Setting the Agenda
Setting the agenda for a therapeutic conversation is not
a uniquely narrative practice. It is important to develop a
clear understanding of what people want when they come to
the walk-in clinic in ways that fit with narrative practice.
These agenda setting conversations are different from "goal
setting" practices. The purpose is not a "goaling" process,
but is an inquiry into the person's hopes and wishes about
what to converse about&emdash;to identify the conversational
territory. It is possible that the participants (clients)
may express this in a way that includes a goal-like outcome,
but it is often true that people who come to therapy are not
sure exactly what "outcome" they are after. They are more
able to identify a topic, issue, or problem for
conversation. These topics for the conversation that are
initially presented are immediate possible glimmers of entry
points into subordinate storylines, as they reflect certain
hopes, preferences, and values. Therefore, while setting the
agenda, listening with "poststructuralist curiousity" and
taking care to create connection to possible subordinate
storylines provides a place to start the conversation that
can then expand as the questions move people into unusual
conversational territories.
Documentation
The paper work at the walk-in clinic has been designed in
ways that stand with poststructuralist ways of thinking. The
pre-session questionnaire that people complete upon their
arrival at the clinic was designed to set the stage for
conversations that both strive to understand the problem,
find hope, new ideas, and knowledge about how to proceed.
The understanding that problem stories and only "thin"
alternative or subordinate stories are present for most
people who come through the doors has influenced the way
questions are asked on the questionnaire. Two of the
questions in particular are shaped by the notion that
subordinate storylines are often only barely present but are
meaningful and useful if brought forward. These questions
were designed not to seek out "lists" but to find "stories".
For example, a question such as, "What are your strengths?"
will likely result in a list, whereas the question, "What
would someone else come to admire and respect most about you
if they had months or years to get to know you? It's OK to
guess." will bring forward more specific detail. The
question "Remember a problem that happened any time in your
life that you resolved in such a way that left you feeling
proud of yourself. What did you do that you felt proud of?"
begins to bring forward rich stories of people's lives that
otherwise would not have been told. Most people are willing
to spend time and thought to answer these and other
questions, which then provide some stories to further
explore in the session. During the session, notes are taken
down by the therapist onto a Summary Report Form, which is
photocopied and given to people at the end.
The Walk-in Summary Report along with any other
therapeutic document such as lists, declarations, and
drawings are completed within the session in a way that
engages the participants in the process, is transparent, and
archives their own words and understandings. Verbal
summaries throughout the session serve as a way to check in
about how the therapist's understanding of their situation,
ideas, and words is going. These summaries are derived from
the notes taken during the conversation and are read back to
people throughout the conversation. This "holds up their
words as a reflecting surface" (Notes from One Week
Intensive, April 4-8, 2005) allowing for any corrections and
for the persons involved to reflect further on their own
words and to possibly expand on them. Summarizing in this
way slows the pace of the conversation and creates a place
from which the next question may be asked. In taking away
the Summary Report and other documents persons are provided
with a record and a reminder of their own words, knowledge
and understandings that emerged within the conversation.
People often share these documents with others who are not
present such as family members, friends, and schoolteachers
or principals. This engages a potential audience and support
team that assists in sustaining new ideas and
commitments.
Getting to know the person away from the problem
This practice comes from the belief that the person is
not the problem. There is so much to know about the person
that is different from only narrowly knowing them in
relation to the problem. David Epston's work has really been
inspirational in this regard, as he often spends a lot of
time within these kinds of conversations with people who
consult with him (Freeman, J., 1997, p34-35). His work
influenced the two questions on the questionnaire discussed
above. The answers to these questions are most often full of
rich stories of people's lives, which relates to something
David Epston has said: "I make it my business (through the
questions) to meet interesting people" (verbal
communication, Toronto, December 2003). This statement is a
reflection of standing within poststructuralist inquiry and
will lead to conversations that are expansive, meaningful
and useful to people.
These "away from the problem" conversations explore
thick, poststructuralist identity conclusions to do with the
person's qualities, skills, ideas of how to live life or be
with others, knowledge, commitments, know-how, and so on. By
identity conclusions I mean self- descriptions that have
developed over time in relation to meaning making attached
to the events of one's life. They can lead to discovering
just what it is that the person has got to put up against
the problem, which is something that the person is unlikely
to be in touch with prior to considering these sorts of
questions. This type of inquiry facilitates the development
of links between these rich stories of the person's identity
and the possibilities that exist for influence over the
problem and it's effects. In fact, there have been times
when these conversations have stood on their own, in terms
of being enough and sufficient for the person to find new
places to stand in relation to the concerns they came to the
walk-in clinic about.
These conversations are most meaningful and useful when
identity conclusions are thoroughly "unpacked" in ways that
richly describe them, explore how they show up in the
person's life, and where they come from in terms of the
background development including historical and current
person's of influence. This aspect of the inquiry is linked
to Michael White's ideas regarding re-membering practices
(M. White, 1997, p.56-57). This unpacking further "thickens"
the story and situates the development of this
knowledge/skill within the person's life, not as coming from
nowhere or by chance.
Finding initiatives and developing rich meaning
In narrative therapy "unique outcomes" have been seen as
actions that could not have been predicted by the problem
story, sparkling events or thoughts that step outside of the
dominant problem plot. This has been a way of "seeing"
away-from-the-problem events in people's lives broadly,
looking for a wider range of possibilities than an exception
to a specific problem. For example, if the problem of
self-harm by cutting is present in someone's life, an
exception would be a specific time when the person
experienced the urge to cut but did not. A unique outcome in
the person's life would relate to any actions or thoughts
that are outside of the usual requirements and recruitments
of the problem such as times when the person had hopeful
thoughts, or thoughts that were reassuring. These events are
present in the person's life but usually have gone unnoticed
and therefore lack a detailed narrative. Recently, Michael
White (Notes from One Week Intensive, April 4-8, 2005) has
instead been using the term "initiatives", which I have come
to understand as actions or thoughts that people engage in
that are inspired by their preferences for their life, their
hopes, dreams, and wishes for their lives and relationships,
and which are a reflection of certain values and principles
that are important to them. This understanding further
expands the concept of unique outcomes, keeping the previous
broad view of these events but more explicitly linking them
to people's intentions and values. The word "initiatives"
better represents what I am trying to find in these
conversations that are aimed at subordinate storyline
development.
These events, which I will henceforth refer to as
"initiatives", are usually not yet apparent or known to
people at the start of therapy. It is therefore important to
look for glimpses of these initiatives and ask questions
that will elicit discovery and telling of them. The
therapist can notice in-session initiatives and expand
meaning around them. For example, the 'problem' would have
the person silent and isolated but they have come to the
walk-in clinic. What kind of action is this? How did they
manage this? What is this a reflection of in terms of
intentions and values? As people are talking, right from the
very moment the interview starts, I listen carefully (you
can only hear what you have trained yourself to hear) for
evidence of actions taken by people in their present or past
that step away from the problem story in any way-
thoughts/ideas/identity conclusions expressed that stand
apart from the problem's requirements for thought or action.
I strive to be curious about and thicken these stories of
the initiatives of people's lives.
I ask questions to first get a description of the
initiative from the person and then inquire about the
person's experience of this action or thought&emdash;do they
like it or not and why, inviting them to evaluate the
initiative. The question of why is very important as it
provides an opportunity for discovery of the person's
reasons for their preference which relates to commitments,
intentions, hopes, and so on for their life and the values
and principles that inform these. These intentional states
and values/principles can be traced in their life both in
the present and in the past, and future implications of the
presence of these in their life can be speculated upon.
Questions about the person's skills and knowledges can
further develop a rich present and past account of the
initiative, as can questions that invite consideration the
future possibilities that exist in relation to these.
Continuing to ask questions that explore interpretation and
meaning of the initiative in terms of identity
conclusions&emdash;what this reflects about the person,
expands the story, invites forward a description of the
preferred self, building more connections to intentional
states and values.
Locating people as witnesses to each other
The rich development of subordinate storylines is greatly
assisted by locating people as witnesses to each other in
conversation with the therapist and then enquiring into
effects on the witnessing person of this conversation. For
example, a parent may listen while the therapist
"interviews" the child or youth, and then be invited to
reflect on what stood out for them, what they heard that was
unexpected/important/meaningful/useful to them and so on,
and why. Then the child/youth may be asked about what they
heard from their parent's reflections that
pleased/interested/ surprised/ them and why. This process
interrupts the usual back and forth responses between
people, making a different sort of listening possible for
them. It creates the possibility for the therapist to catch
a thread of an initiative and to spend enough time with one
person to ask questions that incrementally build in ways
that assist the person to move from current familiar
understandings to new knowledge that can expand present
understandings and develop new appreciations of situations,
events, and one another (Notes from One Week Intensive,
April 4-8, 2005).
Stories
The stories being shared in this paper are shortened
transcripts from conversations with people who have come to
consult at the walk-in clinic. The stories are meant to
illustrate and bring to life the above narrative ideas and
practices that have been so important at the clinic. The
participants in the following transcripts have given their
permission to share the stories however their names have
been changed.
Matt and Lynn: Decisions guided by values and
commitments
Matt, age 14, and his mother, Lynn, had met once with one
of the crisis counsellors from our agency and then attended
a session with me at our walk-in clinic. They contacted the
crisis service after an incident at school where a decision
Matt made resulted in him being given a lengthy suspension.
The school administration asked that Matt attend some
therapy sessions. After some brief introductions and paper
work signing:
Setting the Agenda:
K I would like to start by asking you: What do you think
the most important thing to talk about today is?
M My decision-making.
K Your decision making Matt, okay. So Matt (writing on
the paper) &endash; you want to talk about your
decision-making. Can you say a little more about what about
it you want to talk about?
M Why I make the wrong decisions when I already know that
they are wrong.
K Okay. Does that fit for you Lynn, or is there something
else that you want to talk about?
L No that seems to be the concern &endash; I mean he
knows right from wrong. We can discuss the points and, like
he said, he'll still make the wrong decision-- he's
persuaded easily, he can be a follower, even knowing right
from wrong, and still going the wrong way
.
A proposal for an agenda that is connected to a possible
subordinate storyline:
K Ok, there's two things that have been said that I'm
really curious about. Matt, you said that you wanted to talk
about decision-making, about how you make what you said were
wrong decisions even though you know that they are wrong
ahead of time. And you said, Lynn, that you know that he
knows right from wrong. So, would it be okay with you to
spend a little time talking about what your ideas are Matt,
what you know about things like: what's important to you,
what you feel committed to, what kind of values you have
&endash; things like that. Because I'm thinking that these
are the things that help with decision-making. (Lynn
nodding) And you don't have to come up with this from no
where because I think one of the jobs that I have is to ask
people questions so they can figure out what they know as
they go. Sometimes people come in and they don't know what
they know, right &endash; but if you get asked questions
then you can figure out what you know. (Matt nodding) So
would be all right with you if I ask questions to help you
and us all know what you know about this?
M Yeah.
K (To Lynn) Do you see why this might be a good thing to
do in relation to this problem? Does this make sense to
you?
L I think that's perfect &endash; yeah.
Discovering initiatives and developing rich meaning:
K So, let's see where we can start with the questions.
(pause) Can you think about a time Matt, when you had to
make a decision; I'm sure there have been times like
this
. Maybe there was a time when someone was asking
you to do something, or asking you to go along with
something, or you're in a situation where a choice presents
itself, when you had to decide what to do - do it or don't
do it. Go this way or go that way. Can you think about a
time when you decided something that you're proud of
&endash; that you like what you decided &endash; that you
think you sided with your own values and principles in some
way? Does something come to mind when I ask that? (Matt
thoughtful and nodding)
K Can you tell it like a story &endash; what
happened?
M Well I had someone who was a friend for a long time,
and he came up to me and asked me if I wanted to do
something with him that I already knew was completely
wrong.
K So you were clear right away as soon as he said it?
M Yeah.
K Can I ask, why is that &endash; why was it so clear to
you that what he was asking you to do was wrong?
M Because I've been told at school it's wrong, and I've
been told by my mom. I just know.
L Can I ask what was it? I'm just curious, what was the
situation so we can all be proud of your decision. I think I
know what it is.
Locating people as witnesses to each other:
K Would it be okay with you, we don't have to do it this
way Lynn, but what some parents find really useful is if I
help you to stay in what I call a witnessing position. So
that you watch this conversation that Matt and I are about
to have and then I ask you some questions about it.
L Okay.
K The reason for that is then you won't have to get
engaged in what you could ask and you actually sit back and
witness this, and it might be a different or unusual
position to be in that might help with something. That's
what I often find. Is that okay?
L Okay, that's fine.
K So let's see if I understand so far. You had a friend -
still have - and he had been a friend for a long time and he
asked you to do something that you knew right away it was
wrong.
M Yeah.
K And you knew it was wrong because at school you've
heard it was wrong, from your mom you heard it was wrong and
you yourself knew it was wrong. Now sometimes when people
hear from school and from parents that things are wrong they
still don't think it's wrong. (Matt nods) How did you know
it was wrong?
M I knew it because of what it was. I just knew it was
something I shouldn't do; it was a bad thing to do.
Developing rich meaning by exploring what the initiative
reflects about values, commitments, and so on:
K Were there some special values that you have that it
was going against? I'm thinking about things like, was it
something that would hurt you, hurt someone else, bad for
particular reasons &endash; you know what I mean?
M Yeah, it would be bad for me, like body wise, it would
be bad for my mom because she would never trust me about
anything ever again.
K Okay, so it would be bad for your body and bad for
trust. Let me jot down a little about this. (writing) So
first of all, what Matt decided that he's proud he did was,
that a friend has asked him to do something and he knew it
was wrong because it had to do with it could hurt his body
and damage trust with his mom
M Yeah.
K Okay, and so what happened then? What did you do?
M I told him, "no", I knew it was wrong I wasn't going to
do it, and I just walked away.
K Then you actually walked away. Was that hard to do?
M Kind of, he's my best friend&endash; but when he
brought that up it came through my mind that, something
like, that's not going to ruin our friendship.
K So you knew that if you took a stand with this that it
was not putting your friendship at risk?
M Yeah.
K Tell me about that &endash; what would hold it together
through a hard time like that? Because some people's
friendships might, would you agree that some people's
friendships might be pretty challenged by that and might
even fall apart from something like that?
M Definitely.
K I think so too. So what was it about your friendship
with this particular friend that told you well: I think my
friendship can tolerate this. I think it will be okay.
Matt tells about the ways that he and his friend really
value each other as friends:
K So there's a long history that says that you care about
each other? Is that right? (Matt nods) You care about the
friendship. (Matt nods again). So what happened after that,
did you ever talk about it again or
did it ever come up
again?
M Sort of
I asked him later how he got the idea. He
didn't really want to tell me. I asked him if he did it and
he said no, and that made me really happy.
K Why did you ask him that? Where is that coming from? Is
that curiosity or caring or
M Both.
K Both. So you were pretty relieved he didn't do it -
right. You even checked later, out of curiosity and caring.
And you were glad he didn't do it. I'm kind of curious about
something now. He didn't do it. Do you think that your
saying no to it reduced the chances of him doing it? Is that
possible?
M Yeah, I guess it did.
K Tell me about that.
M 'Cause, I know he kind of looks up to me. Even at other
times
I say, 'it's not a good idea' about just little
things, like doing something stupid around the house
&endash; I've said 'no'. He says, 'yeah, ok', and then he's
done the same thing for me&emdash;when I have an idea and
saying it's not been a good idea, and I'm like 'yeah
okay'.
K What would call that? What are you doing for each other
when you're doing that?
M Caring for each other. Making sure we don't do anything
wrong.
K Caring for each other. Making sure you don't do
anything wrong. (Writing) It does sound really caring to me.
(Matt nods) Sure. Do you think that if you had said yes at
that moment he would have done it?
M Yes.
K Yeah. So saying no kept him away from that thing? Kept
him away from doing that wrong thing?
M Yeah.
K How do you feel about that now?
M I feel good that I didn't do it and that he didn't do
it. I feel good just knowing that.
K So it was an important decision &endash; You said this
had to do with caring for each other, and you also said it
had to with a value of not hurting your body and not
damaging trust with your mom. Could I ask you about those
two things a bit?
M Well, like damage to my body, I know, like 'cause I
know if I did it once, I'd probably do it again. So in the
long run I'd feel worse and worse. And then the trust with
my mom
We explore the influences in his life from teachers at
school and what he has learned in classes that help him to
value caring for his body:
K I'm just wondering, other than the courses at school,
is there anything else that really helped you to value
taking care of your body? Was there something else that
someone said or did or something that stands out for you
like a lesson about that?
M Yeah my mom has always told me about the side effects
of it
K So conversations with your mom were sticking around for
you and helping you with the caring of your body too? (Matt
nods, and we talk more about some of those conversations)
Also, you were going to tell me a few minutes ago about the
other part-- you said that the other thing that really
helped you with this decision was you were not going to
damage trust with your mom? Can you tell me about that? Why
that matters to you?
M Me, and my mom have a really close relationship. We
really trust each other. I know if I did this, the trust
would be torn. (eyes tearing)
K So the relationship with your mom really matters to
you
. your value for it helped you with that
decision?
M Yeah.
K (Lynn gets tissues for them both) How does the
closeness with your mom make a difference in your life?
M If I didn't have my mom I think I'd be making a lot of
worse decisions for my life.
K So, is that connection helpful for you with staying on
track with what you believe in?
M Yeah.
K That's really something. You really helped me to
understand how you were able to make that kind of choice
with your friend, and it really strikes me that a big part
of this was about being caring. Caring for your friend,
caring for your body and caring for your treasured
connection with your mom. Does that seem right to you? (Matt
nods). I'm so glad you told us this. It was really quite
beautiful. I think I'd like to ask your mom a few questions
for a few moments if that's okay.
M Yeah.
Interviewing Lynn as a witness:
K (Turning to Lynn) I was wondering what was going
through your mind when Matt was talking about caring, caring
for his friend, and caring for his body and caring for his
connection with you, I was wondering what you thought about
that?
L Well, Matt is a very caring person.
K Is that right?
L He's got a very good heart. It's not just with me; it's
with his friends, with his sister, even with complete
strangers.
K What's it like for you to have a son who is caring like
that?
L Well, I'm so proud of him. I mean he shines through,
people who meet Matt, love him; he's just that kind of a
person.
K I was wondering did you know that when Matt was faced
with tough decisions, like that one must have been with his
friend, did you have a sense that you are standing with him
when he's faced with that kind of decision?
L Yeah. I know that there have been times like that in
the past, that the reason why he did or didn't was because
of my strong voice in his head. Hearing him tell that story,
I mean is remarkable. Well it makes me feel even more proud,
it's wonderful to know that all the talking I've done
through all these years mattered. It felt really good to
hear. I just never realized that he does take what I say to
heart. And that it is strong, and he does think about
it.
K It seems that he's taken it in, taken it to heart. So
you said that was remarkable?
L It was pride. I felt like I was floating.
K Floating, kind of how?
L Like proud. I'll walk out of here two inches
taller.
K Was there anything new or different or unexpected in
this story at all? Any surprises?
L Not surprises just the maturity thing &endash; seeing
that Matthew does value a friendship. I think that it is
nice to learn that he has that kind of a bond, that he
realizes that friendships are important in life. I think
that I have shown him that, in my friendships with hard
times and struggles and taking care of the friendships.
K That they are things to be treasured but also nurtured.
It sounds like that idea has come across.
L Oh, yeah. It's nice to hear, really nice to hear.
K At different times when Matt was speaking of the
influence of your relationship on him, and the way that it's
with him in life, and that it mattered, I was wondering if
it had you reflecting on your relationship with him and what
difference that's made in your life&emdash;how your life is
different for having Matthew as a son?
L Oh my gosh, I don't know if I can really answer that -
you know. In a sense
well, he's brought me much joy.
He's brought me lots of joy in my life. You know we have ups
and downs, but I just said this to a friend not too long
ago, that the bottom line, if anyone's to ask me what it's
like, the first thing that comes to mind is joy. Through
everything, there is still joy.
K What does that have to do with&endash; what's brought
the joy?
L The thoughtfulness. Always thinking of me. It's
remarkable. Like it let's me know that it is a good thing
that he hears my voice in his head sometimes &endash; like
"don't do this".
K So that he's not altogether alone when he has to make
tough decisions in his life?
L Yeah. It helps me when I think of the future too.
K Does it? How?
L With Matt, to let him go more.
K To let him go more. How does hearing this story get you
in touch with thinking about letting go more?
L The part where he said the trust thing with me would
have devastated him. I know that trust is a big important
thing in a relationship.
K The treasuring and valuing of you and the cherishing of
that trust?
L Yeah, yes.
K Right, that mattered. So knowing that, has you thinking
about, what was your word?
L Letting him go. Allowing him more room. It just made me
feel like: Well he does have his head on--he's thinking.
Interviewing Matt as witness to his mother's
reflections:
K Thanks. (To Matt) So what you were witnessing? You've
been listening to your mom and I talking about what was
going on for her while you and I were talking. What grabbed
your attention about what stood out for your mom?
M Well, that she knows me, and what she's saying about
&endash; letting go. She knows that I'll always have her in
my head. So she knows and can let me go
. like let me
do things and she'll know that I'll think things that she
told me or she taught me before important decisions, during
decisions.
K Why do you think that stood out for you? Why is it good
to know that your mom knows that?
M Just kind of adds to that whole trust idea. I know that
I can trust her she knows she can trust me so
that's
basically the reason why it's good to know that.
K So it really adds to the depth of trust in between you
and your mom?
M Yeah.
K So listen, I think we'll stop soon. But how has this
conversation been for you Matt?
M Good. I liked coming here to say these things. Your
questions really made me think. That I made a difference not
just in my decision, but in my friend's. Listening to my mom
say that she knows that she's always in my head and
everything makes me feel real good. Everything's good so
far.
K So you're glad to know your mom knows these things
now?
M Yeah.
K How did it go for you Lynn?
L Good. We've talked about that I have a fear of Matthew
being more of a follower 'cause he's a very nice kid. So
I've had some concerns there. But, after hearing this, I was
thinking that maybe I could not worry so much. I've done
what I could do up until this point. It's great to
hear
.
K So maybe you can worry just a bit less about him being
a follower?
L Yeah, yes.
K Yeah. It was a particular story of leadership. (Pause)
Well it was really good to meet with you.
M Me too.
K (To Matt) Thank you for sharing that story with me. It
was really quite lovely.
L I have to say I really, really appreciated how you put
the questions out. I mean he's a great, great intelligent
kid but he needs that. Just listening was really wonderful.
The questions were remarkable
.
Katie: Away from the Problem, including what she has to
put up against the problem
Katie, age 13 came to the walk-in therapy clinic with her
foster mother, Marion, and her child welfare worker, Sharon.
During the initial agenda setting the two adults indicated
that they wished to talk about some recent self-harming by
cutting that Katie had done, and Katie indicated that she
had "nothing to say". Most of the early part of the
conversations were with Marion and Sharon who, in response
to my questions, were "guessing" that the cutting was a
reflection of distress due to an argument Katie had with a
friend and the fears she had that the relationship was over.
This connected with a history of loss that Katie had in her
life. As she listened to Marion and Sharon speculating about
how frightening and distressing the fear of loss might be, I
checked with Katie (who had been in a witness position)
about accuracy, and she described that "this is right on"
and that the fears of loss that she experiences after such
arguments with friends are so intense that she described
them as "unbearable". She agreed that the cutting was
absolutely an expression of these unbearable fears. Marion
and Sharon commented that Katie really liked to experience
close connection with others and that, in fact, she had
become close to her foster parents and sister. At this point
it was possible to begin to explore "getting to know Katie
away from the problem" through questions such as: "I'm
curious about what's made it possible for Katie to become
such a part of the family? What kind of qualities or things
do you see in Katie that have made it possible for these
"well-connected" relationships to develop?" Stories were
then shared about Katie's kind and thoughtful actions toward
her foster sister, and her commitment to come back to "talk
out" issues with Marion after arguments in ways that were
open and insightful.
Questions to others present to get to know the person
away from the problem:
Y As you were telling me this story, I started
wondering-what is it about Katie that makes these things
possible? What kind of skills, qualities, or talents has
Katie got, that you think she could use against this problem
that's come up in terms of the distress and fears when
arguments happen with friends? So I'm wondering- what does
she have with her that might help her get through these kind
of times that are distressing and scary for her?
M Well, when problems happen between people, she can
later sit back and see what happened and understand other
people's positions. She is very insightful. And then she is
good at coming back and talking to people and working it
out. Katie has a real skill or aptitude for talking things
out so I was thinking that might help her in a situation
where there is a conflict between her and a friend. (Marion
shares some stories of Katie that show her skill in
understanding people, then...)
K Ok. I'd like to ask you Sharon- what do you think Katie
has, like knowledge, or talents, or things she's figured out
in life, that are going to help her next time when she's
really distressed about an argument with friends?
S Well, my two top answers are: 1) That I have seen Katie
be incredibly compassionate at times, and, 2) the other
one
I was just thinking, when we were talking about
Katie's history of loss, that she has been in foster care
several times and has lost her family of origin in some
ways
and I was thinking what it says about Katie that
she was still able to come to Marion's at 10 _ years old,
after years of all these experiences, and still be hopeful
that this could be a place where she could be. And then I
was thinking about her hopefulness, and in fact, one of the
experiences I've had with Katie that was so amazing was: I
took over as her case worker from a person named Sue, and
Katie really loved her, but she didn't hold me at arms
length because I wasn't Sue&emdash;you know, again, there is
a hopefulness around, it's not: because I'm having a loss,
I'm going to hold it against the next person, you know, that
speaks to hopefulness
.
Y Ya, and you said she could have held you at arms
length, she could have not connected with you in any way,
not allowed any relationship to develop
.
S Ya, and she could have done that in many
ways&emdash;she could have said to herself: how long are you
going to be here, right, the last person I only had for a
year, are you going to only be here for a year; but I didn't
get that from her.
Katie, who has up to now been fairly quiet, spontaneously
comes forward with ideas for initiatives she could take to
help herself in these situations. This is now possible as
Katie is "standing" on a platform of richer identity
conclusions:
K There was Jeanette who left before, and then there was
Sue
But I think something that would help me would be
to think about all the good times that I have with my
friends and think about all those instead of thinking about
me going to be losing them or something. And do things that
I know will make myself feel better about myself instead of
like putting myself down and just sitting around doing
nothing and waiting for them to do whatever
just go off
and do something, and not thinking that they are not going
to be my friends or anything, so
.
Y So, you said a whole bunch of things there, (I wrote
them as she spoke) about thinking about the good things, and
the good times that you and your friends have had, is that
right?
K Ya.
Y
And that that would help in a situation where an
argument just happened?
K Ya.
Y And, you said, to do something and not just to be
alone, is that what you meant?
K Ya. Cause the whole week I was by myself and nobody
else and just staying by myself, going over plans by myself,
and just going to bed and crying and talking to
myself
.
Y Ya. So what picture do you have of something different
that you would do?
K Well, go out and do something, and play basketball or
go for a ride on the bike. Just get my mind off them being
mad at me, cause that might help me, make me not so angry
and think they are not going to be there anymore.
Y So it could reduce both anger and fear too?
K Ya.
This and the next few questions are to further develop
this storyline and related identity conclusions:
Y And, I was wondering from what Sharon was saying about
how you've been a person who, even though you've had lots of
leavings in your life, that you've been a person who doesn't
hold people at arms length. And lets people connect with you
and you to connect with them anyway?
K Yes.
Y And, have you done that by using any of these things
(on the page I've been writing on earlier and listing things
Marion and Sharon said about qualities Katie had that made
it possible for her to become such a part of the family),
like (reading): thinking of good times
well, what have
you done Katie?
K I've done all those things; like not being able to live
with my sister anymore and stuff like that
I've done
all these things
moving from the last house and the
house before that, and
but, I try to look for the
better in Sharon, and stuff, instead of thinking: oh well,
this isn't good because Sue's not going to be here anymore.
I like thinking about how much I'm going to be able to get
to know that person and see who they really are and stuff,
instead of just thinking of losing the person.
Y So you look forward to getting to know them and
discovering what kind of person they are?
K Ahha. Ya.
Y You said, "looking for the better"? (Katie nods) Do you
mean in the person?
S Wow. What a great phrase. I just thought what a world
we would live in if everyone went around looking for the
better in the person.
Y Right. (to S) Did you sort of know that in any way
about Katie- that she is a person who does this looking for
the better? Did you see any evidence of that?
S Well, its kind of funny, because I wouldn't necessarily
have thought about it until she was just speaking about it,
and now when I kind of look back that's certainly been my
experience of how welcoming she has been.
Y Ya, and, (to Katie) you were talking about compassion
before, and that was one of the things Sharon said a few
minutes age&emdash;that I wrote down on my page here; that
she thought you have a lot of that. Did that surprise you
when she said that, or did you kind of know that?
K I kind of know that
.
Y Ya. What are some of the clues or reasons that you do
know that about yourself?
K Well, because I always want to just go and help someone
else, and I'm always helping people at home and at school
and everywhere
.
Y Are you like a "giver"?
K Ya.
Exploring her evaluation/position on being a "giver",
thickening the identity conclusion:
Y Is that a quality that you like in people generally,
that you would strive for; is that something that you want
in life&emdash;to be giving?
K Ya, I like helping people; it makes me feel better
about myself.
Y I mean, this might be obvious&emdash;but why do you
think that is a quality you want to have?
K I don't know, but I just think that the Agency has done
so much for me&emdash;put me in a home that is great and do
all these things for me, that I should do things for other
people to make them feel good about themselves, and so that
they have a better life for themselves too. Cause, there is
this girl, named Michelle, and she was having a really hard
time, she was doing what I'm doing now. She came here too
sometimes, and she was really down and some kids were
picking on her at school and stuff. So I went down and
talked to her. And she is sort of like Lorrie, and so I
wanted to get them to talk so I gave Lorrie her phone number
so she could talk to her on the phone
and then she went
over there, and they were always talking, and it was really
good that I could help them and have them knowing each other
so they could know somebody who was like each other, so that
they don't feel so bad about themselves. And I thought, it
really helped them and they seemed to feel a lot happier.
(Rich stories are coming forward that further thicken new
identity conclusions)
Y Wow. You just told a story about how something you did
really contributed to two people's lives in some really
important ways, is that right, would you say that?
K Yes.
Y And you said that some of this has to do with you
giving back, in a sense; that you feel that you've been on
the end of receiving and being given to, and that you want
to give back. Is that right?
A conversation unfolds about many ways in which Katie has
been giving to others in her family, and then I explore
Katie's preferences about how to proceed:
Y You were saying before, Katie, that some ideas were
popping into your mind about how you might help yourself
next time any of these arguments with friends happen. You
were telling about looking for the better, and focusing on
the good things that have happened- kind of like stacking
them up or letting them pile up in your mind a bit?
K Ya.
Y So if you had all those things piled up in your mind,
and then an argument happened, how would that help?
K Well, I think that I would just think about those
things and it would make me feel happier
. Like when
I'm in a fight with them and I feel scared and I can just
think about, like, before, and how we worked it out, and
situations that I thought of to work it out that time, it
might help me more.
Y Would that be sort of like giving to your self in those
times?
K Ya.
Y What would you be giving to yourself in those
times?
K Well, I think it would be reassuring
.
Y You'd be giving yourself reassurance?
K Yes.
Y Ya, that seems like an important gift to me, what do
you think
do you think that reassurance is
important?
K Ya!
We went on to discuss in some detail the specifics of the
ways Katie could reassure herself and who is in her life
that could make up a "reassurance team" that could be called
on, and have very specific jobs that she has let them know
about ahead of time. Katie named a number of people who
could be on this team, and thought she would like to write
them a letter to share ideas about ways they could help.
Sharon and Katie talked about the letter saying something
like: If I call on you in a time when I'm feeling worried
about my friends, here's the kind of reassurance I'm
needing: 1) to remember all the things that are piled up in
my mind about the good times and make sure that those
outbalance this one bad time I'm having right now, 2) help
me to keep looking for the better in the situation, and 3)
to help me keep doing things so I'm not all alone, 4) to
remind myself that some of my friends, like Liz, need some
time, 5)also recognizing that some people need time, and
just giving them that time. Katie did send a letter to
several people that she wanted on her support team. At
follow up two years later, she had done no further cutting
since this initial session. She did attend the walk-in
clinic sporadically over that time to discuss some other
issues in her life.
Summary
The concept of subordinate storyline development is
central to my work at the walk-in therapy clinic. These
practices require an orientation to poststructuralist
listening&emdash;listening for the unspoken within people's
words. Within Matt and Lynn's initial comments that Matt
makes wrong decisions even though he knows right from
wrong&emdash;hearing that Matt knows what is right and wrong
and wondering about what informs this, what makes this
possible for Matt? This takes the conversation into
subordinate storylines of Matt's abilities to make decisions
informed by commitments and values he holds as important to
him. Within Katie's comments that the cutting is a
reflection of unbearable fear of loss of an important
relationship&emdash;hearing that Katie strives for
connection with others and values this, and wondering what
is it about her that makes this possible? You can only hear
what you train yourself to hear. What assists me to "hear "
in this way is: standing within a narrative posture in these
conversations, maintaining a strong commitment to strive for
rich conversations, asking questions aimed at the
development of thick descriptions and meanings within
conversational territories that are not often spoken of in
the every day, being curious about people's intentions,
commitments and values, and doing my best to create the
opportunity for "catharsis" in each session&emdash;slowing
down to move to new places quickly.
References
Epston, D. (2003). Notes from Inner-viewing of Narrative
Interviewing, December 8-9, 2003.
Freeman, J, Epston, D., Lobovits, D. (1997). Playful
Approaches to Serious Problems. W.W.
Norton & Company Ltd.
White, M. (1997). Narratives of Therapists Lives. Dulwich
Centre Publications.
White, M. (2000). Reflections on Narrative Practice:
Essays and Interviews. Dulwich Centre
Publications.
White, M. (2004). Working with people who are suffering
the consequences of multiple trauma.
The International Journal of Narrative Therapy and
Community Work, 1, p. 45-76.
White, M. (2005). Notes from the One-Week Intensive:
Narrative Therapy Training Course,
attended April 4-8. 2005.
i) Halton Child and Youth
Services is a large children's mental health
centre located in Burlington, Ontario, Canada. The agency
has many services for children and families including the
unique Walk-in therapy clinic, which was created in June of
2001. Karen Young works as a therapist and supervisor at
HCYS and as a training/research faculty at Brief Therapy
Training Centres-International. See final endnote and the
footers for more information about training provided by
Karen and the other faculty at BTTC-I.
ii)I have attempted to understand
poststructuralist thinking and how it differs from
structuralist ideas in the following ways:
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Structuralist
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Poststructuralist
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People have behaviours (unconscious drives)
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people engage in actions (conscious purpose)
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people have internal motives, drives, needs;
attributes, traits, characteristics, strengths and
weaknesses
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people have commitments, purposes, intentions,
values, hopes, dreams, principles, beliefs
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people have a deep, core identity that is
consistent over time
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identity is relational: is fluid,changes over
time and between contexts
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there are facts, essential truths that must be
uncovered
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experience is subject to interpretation &
meaning making that has many influences,
multi-storied experience,dominant and subordinate
stories
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problems exist internally, within people, the
person is the problem
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problems exist outside of people, externally,
between relationships and within contexts
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iii) Training and
Consultation
The faculty of Brief Therapy Training
Centres-International (a division of the
Hincks-Dellcrest Centre, Gail Appel Institute) is committed
to training informed by Practice-Based Evidence Research.
The BTTC-I faculty train and consult throughout Canada, the
United States and internationally.
The training and consultation can be delivered in
a range of formats as follows:
Training can be custom designed to address the
specific needs and goals of your organization. This may
include issues such as: reducing waiting lists, walk-in
clinics, servicing particular consumer populations such as
sole support parents, adolescents and more.
Certificate courses designed to address specific
needs or themes particular to your organization are
available. A curriculum is designed in consultation with
your key staff members. Each participant will receive a
certificate upon successful completion of the program.
Certificate courses range from five days, ten days or even
two years spread out over time.
Certificate courses can now be integrated with
web-based or video-conferencing technology. Live on-site
training sessions are interspersed with cyber sessions to
provide a richer and more cost-effective training
experience.
Case consultation can be arranged in various
formats including live on-site, telephone consultation and
web-based consultation. In addition, live supervision can be
arranged using a one-way mirror and outsider witnessing
practices.
Organizational consultation is available
regarding: program review and evaluation, establishing sound
agency-wide clinical supervision, and practices for
developing a consumer responsive organization, and more.
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